Sports Science Topic - May 11, 2009
You hear the term training specificity or race pace training a lot, but what does it take to accomplish those training objectives? How do you know if what you're doing is the right thing?
You hear the term training specificity or race pace training a lot, but what does it take to accomplish those training objectives? How do you know if what you're doing is the right thing?
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As for "doing the right thing", I think that's always a flipped coin in the air.
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I generally think of HR % max (zone), power application. The only reason I know what I'm doing is because I train for sprints, so the objective on the sprint sets are to try to put out more power than last time I did the set. For the 100's training I try to improve the amount of power I put out over intervals in highest HR possible. I think along with all of this no matter what your training zone is there are essential techniques that you must do through all of them and make adjustments when your putting out more power. maybe... i don't really know for sure. |
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Jonty,
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Sean Hutchison at KING gave a talk at a clinic a few years ago, and he made this observation: Most World Class swimmers have great technique, are leg-dominant with great distance per stroke, and look like athletes out of the water. While this might not seem like rocket science, I still talk to many Coaches whose programs make little attempt to address any of these. When asked about their program (as I try to do frequently), there starting point is almost universally yardage. Then they frequently back-track to say that technique is really emphasized, but never at the expense of yardage. When asked how much kick (or kick-based) work they do, they usually overreport. They will say something like 15-20% is kick (leg dominant). When pressed, they will report yardage totals of 7-8,000 and kick totals of under 1,000 (because kick is too slow to get in the necessary volume). Hutchison laid out this cycle for moving his athletes toward the model he observed in the best.
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aren't race specific and race pace training two different things?! isn't race specific training doing exactly what your going for- like for example for 50m fly you do mostly sprints, all kicking and pulling in butterfly and with the goal to improve your speed for the 50m race, all on longer rest intervals bit with high intensity, a lot of starts and break out training. and if your doing intervals it would be 50m, again, with long rest but very high intensity, where you should come close to the race pace. Here you cannot do too many repetitions though. Or the other intervals would be (and here comes the race pace training) 25s with shorter rest BUT with the same pace that you would swim the 50m fly in a race and you can do much more repetitions... which should give you the speed endurance.. which is still race specific training. But you can swim race pace in non-race specific training too. The distance swum, would be shorter then, and the rest could be longer too... when your experimenting with your technique for example... ... am I mistaking something?! I am confusing myself right now... How I know if it works?! Well... if you do not improve at all, you're doing something wrong :D Then you have to analyze what's missing and what you can/ have to do different. |
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Billy, this is exactly why technique is so important at the Learn to swim and pre-squad stages. I spent ages educating the parents that just because we are not doing length after length the children will not suffer. Stroke specifics within a fun and interesting environment keep them in the sport and now those who have listened and taken on board are starting to reap the dividends as they catch up with those who were faster as real youngsters but were doing it all on strength. |
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All I know it is swam for months, months which swimming peformance has not improved so they know its something wrong at training - which case I might have :( |
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Assuming the progression as described above by Billy and espoused by Hutchinson is the basis for this discussion, the way to know that what you are doing is the right thing is by testing it, Step 6 above. Test sets or racing will provide the answers to the athlete's progress towards the goal(s). |
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I added this question this week since it’s an extension to some degree of last week’s question. So I have answered some of it in small parts, but will expand on it a little more here.
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GW, I couldn't agree more with you about learning great technique and saying "who cares how many lengths we did, I want to focus on how they did them". Particularly at the young levels, but even as they get older because their technique will change as they grow and mature. Jonty, the model of training you are suggesting is awesome. I have started to try and break down my swimmers best races into segments of 10's, 15's, etc in just that way. I'm not quite sure how to break down the splits to allow for fatigue over time, though. So, for example, if I have a swimmer whose current time in the 100 back (LCM) is 1:00.00, and I want him to go :56 in the next 2-3 years, what I want to do is break down :56 into 10's, 15's, etc. I also want to break down some mid-point goal or goals, and his current time. A sample set would be to go
I would guess that I need to have a work/rest ratio of about 1:4 or higher for this to be effective. Over time, you would expand it out to where you were doing longer distances at each pace. The question is, how do I determine those goal numbers? If I just break down 50 splits by dividing by 10, I can get 5 meter increments. But we all know that the first 25 is faster than the second. Any suggestions? Is this making sense? |
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To figure all this out use this these three parameters and these basic formula’s
So in a very crude form you can take that 1:00 and figure out the basic velocity. In this case 100 ÷ 60 = 1.66m/s. Goal time is 56, so 100 ÷ 56 = 1.79m/s. Turn that velocity in segments by using the velocity to calculate swimming time for the segments. To get that you use this formula. Time = distance ÷ velocity. So a velocity of 1.79 m/s equals what in time?
The next level (still crude) take the lap split and divide it into the distance. That way your 1st lap and subsequent laps will have different velocities. Use the same formula’s The next level would be to take each lap. (ballpark figures)
The best level would be to:
If you can’t get the DPC side of the equation you need to focus on the neural side of the equation… so the firing rate or cycle rate… that way at a neural level the muscles will be very comfortable with the CR’s that you want to swim at. When the athlete swims, holds the rates, and the time is off, it’s a DPC issue and training should take that into account. Just remember this… swimming performance is a moving target, and you have to be very good at evaluating performance in order to design training programs that are successful. What works one season won’t always work the next season… you have to be good at thinking on your feet. |
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Thank you for all of that great information! It's gonna take a while to process it! |
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En mi opinion muy particular son diferentes objetivos como lo marcan lo programas de natacion donde en de formacion tiene 1 o 2 frecuencias a la semana es decir sesiones, mientras que el de competencia tiene 3 o mas sesiones en una semana. |
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Hmm, this whole discussion is beyond me. What I think Juan is saying is "In my opinion competition training versus technique training have very different objectives, so within the same program you could emphasize technique once or twice a week for the whole practice, and then emphasize competition training 3 or more times a week." |
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